I watched the segment that Barack Obama purchased for some random amount totaling more than three million dollars (I wonder when he’ll be spreading his wealth?), and regretfully, I missed the first few minutes, but caught most of it- I was underwhelmed- and felt the need to comment on some points he touched, to stop this positive feel-good spin he attaches to everything. He is much like his supporters, who refuse to hear anything that could be deemed negative- even truths and facts-, so anything from this stupid infomercial was only perpetuating more of this feel good, unrealistic hype. And where are these sensitive feel good people demanding proper recourse for what Sarah Palin has had to go through? Well, she’s not anointed, I suppose.
Beginning with what I heard, he talked about energy independence. He talks about wind, solar, alternative fuels. Examining this, what’s his plan in the meantime, while we transition to new technologies? Keep sending money to terrorist nations who hate us, because we can’t drill off shore, or in Alaska. He talks about a tax credit for auto companies to “retool” and be ready for these new innovations (while he’ll tax the crap out of the innovators), and a tax credit for people who want to buy these cars. Keep in your mind all the tax credits he talks about- because he’s specific. I thought a new car tax credit was one of the dumbest things- I can only imagine how many people milking the welfare system now that will be looking forward to their 2009 Toyota Prius.
He talked about Iraq, and how much money is spent over there, and that Iraq had a $78 Billion surplus, and they can pay for their own things now. As nice of an idea as it sounds like, upon examination of this we can all safely assert that in the big picture of running a nation, $78 Billion Dollars isn’t a lot- just ask Secretary Paulson. That’ll pay for one give out program, here…how much did AIG get? And Obama also failed to mention the immense progresses that the Iraqi’s have made, and the fact that our soldiers are taking increasingly less leading roles over there- whole provinces have been turned over to the Iraqi’s and violence is down- below the violence level in Chicago…perhaps The One should focus on his home town (while he’s busy deriding Palin for being a mayor of a town), than telling foreign countries what their budget should be. Obama never mentions the successes of our troops. And, like the above talking point with energy, how much will it cost until the transition has been made, when we are not in Iraq? (these processes have already begun for an exiting in that country, but no credit is given where due… don’t even mention Bush, but the leaders and troops on the ground…Not Obama.) As much as the war costs every day, how long do you think the $78 Billion the Iraqi’s have will last? I wonder if Obama will come along and tell them how to properly allocate that money, spreading their wealth. Don’t forget the New Car Tax Credits!!!
He talked about jobs, gave an example of a guy who was a third generation Ford employee. He wants to make it easier for these middle class employees, with tax breaks and credits. (Again, keep the credits and breaks in mind, because something has to balance this) Well, working for a large corporation myself, when my company does well, I do well. My bonuses are bigger. My raise percentage is larger. Our benefits are better. My company gives money to my 401(k) to help me retire. We have a team of people who research different employee benefits- we even get discount movie tickets. Under Obama, my company won’t be able to spend money on raises, bonuses and other benefits. They won’t be hiring anyone, and some will most likely get laid off. I am middle class, so this doesn’t help me at all. Last year, I used my federal tax refund to pay the bill for servicing my used car. (or Pre-owned to a liberal) When it becomes more expensive to do business, those businesses accommodates their budgets. Smaller companies cut their office supply budget. Large companies cut employees. Furthermore, he talks about giving a credit for hiring here, and a tax increase for shipping overseas. What about a company who operate both in and out of the United States? McDonald’s is a large corporation, who operates in China. I’m glad I’m not their accountant.
Why didn’t Obama mention that he wants to take away the pre-tax donations for 401(k)? People save SO much money in being able to donate their dollars they worked for towards their futures. Obama wants you to pay taxes, then contribute. Then if you do well, and the interest and market is kind to your account, you’ll pay taxes on it when you retire (No mention of compounding interest that gives a hefty return at the end.). Tell me, what’s the incentive, as opposed to say…a savings account? He wants to allow people to get money out of their 401(k)s early, sans penalty. So people can borrow away their futures. A lot of people take their futures and don’t even realize it, doing this (and contributing pre-taxed dollars makes it cheaper for them to contribute to begin with). I suppose he’ll supplement that money with the Large Corporation tax increase.(that may have employed the person and contributed to a 401(k))
I also just have to say that the audacity of him to sit and tell people what they should be doing as parents is insulting and arrogant. It’s not his business to tell people to read to their kids. That’s a great idea. Laura Bush encourages it, too. Obama would tell you what day of the week to read, though. And also he has no moral authority, while he talks about morality all the time. Ask the babies who survived their abortions. (Oh wait…most were left to die, and did die.) What the hell ever.
He wants to give tax credits for healthcare. Tax credits for colleges. That on top of grants and other financial aid available. Tax credits for teachers. Now where is he going to come up with that money? He says he’ll “reduce spending. Cut programs that don’t work and make the ones that work cost less and run more efficient.” HOW? No answer. WHICH PROGRAMS? Because we all know you better not cut off the TANF cash benefits… even though it is well documented the vast fraud in these types of programs. But he doesn’t tell us which programs. But he does tell us in one breath, he’s for the American Dream, but when you reach yours, and are deemed by him to be well enough off, since you met your ends, he’s going to tax you to give credits to others, so you can meet their ends, too.
He talks about the broken healthcare system. We all know it’s broken. We all know the insurance premiums are high. (Even car insurance premiums can be high. Where’s that tax break?) We all know why they’re high, too- in large part due to the ambulance chasing trial lawyers. Now, Obama went to law school- he’s not a trial lawyer, but he knows this. He just wants to convince people that it’s the insurance companies being greedy. Well, with them being sued all the time, I would be charging more, too. And how about a tax break for the doctors (oh, no! They’re rich!!) who pay thousands of dollars in malpractice insurances, before they even turn the lights on in their offices? How about we try to solve one thing at a time, before giving the okay for everyone to get free healthcare. It’ll be a lot more expensive if it’s “free”, and furthermore, look at all the new lawsuits coming their way! Obama is clueless, that he advocates such a position.
Michelle talks about what a great father he is… he always takes the time for them, when they need it, that they are his priority. I think that’s great- as a girl who belonged to Daddy growing up, I can tell you that all men with good relationships with their children (especially daughters) are worthy of immense respect. Too bad they can’t hold that standard to Sarah Palin, who’s a great mother, and spends all her free time with her kids. Suddenly, these liberals act like it’s 1955, where being a working mother is no good! Sarah Palin should be at home with her children to be a good mom. The sexist double standard is really sick. She can either work or be at home, but Obama can do both, and be a good father. Come on!
He played that stupid sound bite about being “his brother’s keeper”, but we all know who is brother is, and how well Obama keeps him. I bet that brother of his would love it to see some of Obama’s wealth spread. But Obama’s spiritual brother is doing pretty well for himself, on the other hand. Guess blood isn’t thicker than water, after all. Reverend Wright should spread some of his wealth, too. I mean, God Damn America, his life sucks! Right.
I thought it was funny that he brought up Joe’s foreign policy experience. Even though Joe’s been wrong about almost everything- and voted for the war, and to cut funding for the troops- but since Obama has none, he has to make up those short comings somewhere. This is change! Change yes, progress, no. And speaking of progression, the biggest change we’re going to see is the most radical and liberal congress and executive in our nation’s history. This gets to be the change agent…Tax the “wealthy” to give to people he deems fit. He’ll sign every stupid bill the congress gives him. He’ll retreat out of Iraq (which I don’t buy, really…he doesn’t know enough to get away with it. He’ll not get out when he says so, he’ll obey the people who know what they’re talking about, but take credit for what Bush has accomplished with the Iraqi’s of late- simply by default because Bush won’t be president when it’s finished.), and we’ll have the most peaceful time in congress because there won’t be enough opposing balance. Sure the republicans might get heard. But they won’t really be considered, because the liberals will override them. I pray we get some moderate democrats in congress, coming up.
As president, he will slash the military budgets, per Barney Frank, chomping at the bit. I suppose he’ll use the money that has been allocated for body armor, surveillance equipment, repairs and purchases of worn out vehicles and other items, plus veteran benefits, to boot. Don’t worry, we won’t be spending extra money to treat our wounded! I would be surprised as anyone else if he ever mentions anything about the mental health of our troops. That’s just not as important as a tax credit for a new car with good gas mileage.
His stupid quips about working hard for a living and him wanting to reward that is completely contradictory to what he talked about. The American Dream is to work hard, save money, have a family, make a lot of money to be financially secure, save for your retirement, and buy a big RV to travel the country with. (Well, it’s most Americans’ Dreams.) So let’s say you’re Amanda The McDonald’s cashier as a teenager and have a good knack for business. You go to college, get your degree in business and start your own little diner. You work long hours, make a little money, have a small staff (but will be fined if you do not provide health benefits to the employee, under Obama), and generally do well. You do so well, that you can afford to open another diner across town. You continue working hard, long hours, making a little more money, hiring a few more people, when you get to the point that you not only have three diners in town, but you opened one in another town, and eventually, you open your diner that you started, in another state. Great! You took this diner, worked, bled, sweated, lost sleep, worked out losses, micromanaged budgets, maintained employees and paying all the appropriate taxes, during the whole time. By the time you get to the next state, you’re making “enough” money to finally be taxed again, just to go to pay for one of your other cashiers who doesn’t earn as much, help pay their health insurance premiums (that you have to provide to begin with or get fined), pay for their new car tax credit, etc. All because you’re rich. Never mind how you got there. That’s Obama’s dream. The Trickle Up Effect. My dream was that I would keep what I worked hard for. That isn’t his dream. He will call uncle on my income, for me.
Oh, and you know who said this line first, “You may not agree with me all the time, but you will always know where I stand on the issues”? Who said that first? You get extra credit if you don’t have to look it up. Answer at the bottom. :-)
What I want to know is why he won’t talk about the company he keeps. Why he disses public financing after promising to use it. And why he has the audacity to defend and uphold the constitution, when he doesn’t even believe in it! He thinks our founding fathers were restrictive in nature, and there was no consideration for “economic justice”. Hey Obama! Justice is supposed to be blind! We don’t cater to people. And for the LIFE of me, what do these liberals not get about the judges’ roles? They do not legislate from the bench. If they were going to do that, fire congress. They’re not doing their jobs! It’s not the job of the judge to dole out economic justice, or any other justice but for ruling against those proved guilty in a court of law. We don’t consider race, age, income, or anything else. Dope. Ever seen that statue lady holding the stick thing with the funny plate things at the bottom with a blindfold on her face? Of course you haven’t.
When you vote, think about the change that will be coming your way. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Funny how that happens, right?
Oh, and this is who said that you might not always agree with him, but you’ll always know where he stands.
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Arguing with a Liberal
I made a mistake. I should have known better, and I might make it again sometime, but know that it was a mistake. I got in to an argument with a liberal. Not a discussion, either but a pseudo-argument. Ann Coulter has a whole book guiding any rational person on how to talk to a liberal. I’m sure that if she were to advise me in anyway, her best educated opinion would be to never argue with them. She would give me a look that says, “Jenny Bea! Don’t you know any better? You can’t even get mad at the liberal- it’s your fault for arguing with them!”
He began telling me about the debates, and how no matter what happens, he just can’t see himself voting for McCain. Now, I have written quite a bit about the unanswered questions on Obama, so a red flag went waving in my face, knowing this person can’t be seriously considering Obama. No vote would be better than a vote for. Do rational people really excuse the way this election season has progressed, where every single solitary time someone says anything that might contrast with a happy, feel-good feeling for Obama, it’s racist, radical, hateful, fear-mongering, desperate or erratic? Do thinking individuals really get how his economic plans would kill our country as we know it, his foreign policy is friendly to people who do not like us? What about the fact that no one knows what his schedule was in the state senate, no one knows why he only votes along party lines- when he bothers to vote on anything- when he bothers to show up for the job? What about the people who have been his friends? What about his college papers, his law reviews? And what about his days as a community organizer with ACORN? (And how come they’re just now talking about ACORN? Michelle Malkin’s been all over it for years, guys.)
So this liberal told me that McCain likes to try and make people feel good, like a car salesman tries for customers. This liberal gets really unnerved when McCain calls people, “My Friends”, because McCain isn’t his friend! And Sarah Palin is just a moron. I mean, she is, according to him, so it’s not even worth talking about it.
I seem to remember, somewhere in that how-to guide Ann wrote, it says that when all else fails, no arguments can be won, or no real rational beef can be had by a liberal, they resort to calling them dumb. I can tell you, Ann’s right. They all call Sarah dumb, too. Funny, they never bothered to research Sarah and what she’s accomplished, and no, I never asked the liberal if he ever bothered to learn anything about her. I’m sure Keith Olbermann told him what he should know.
McCain just says the same things all the time, and it’s all rhetoric and it means nothing, says the liberal. He keeps changing his motto about change and reform and he keeps coming up with new slogans and plans. Never mind that Obama hasn’t come up with any of his own, but even has the audacity to adopt policy plans that he once derided Hillary Clinton for during their primary debates…in fact, he has done that with a lot of his plans; beat someone over the head with the fact it’s a bad idea, to later embrace it himself.
McCain isn’t a family man. He left his cancer stricken wife to be with Cindy. (No, he really wasn’t talking about John Edwards, but McCain.) And yeah, that was bad, but he and Cindy have been together…how long? Now, there are a lot of things that I would beat up McCain on, but that? The liberal said he wasn’t a family man. As in, McCain didn’t adopt some random girl from an orphanage in Bangladesh, has a son in the military, picked a pro-life running mate. McCain isn’t a family man. But Obama on the other hand is a family man. Unless you happen to be a fetus who survives an abortion procedure, as you technically don’t have rights or it’s debatable when your life began, and all. But if you aren’t a meant-for-abortion-but-survived-fetus, then Obama is a family guy, who likes to BBQ in the summer time and play hop scotch with his girls. Every Sunday, they dress up and go to Church…but not Rev. Wright’s church any more. Funny, Obama being a family guy,dissed a pastor he had for 20 years and dedicated his bestselling book to.
This liberal has no problem with Obama being a socialist, that we are a socialist society. I beg to differ, and expressed such. His comeback? Well, we just had this whole bailout and that’s socialist. My immediate reply was that every single taxpayer in America was against it (but for the ones who don’t work, who will get an income tax credit from Obama, and Cindy Sheehan). He went on to say something about how it was done by congress, and I replied it was caused by congress. That’s when I started to get heated, because for the LIFE of me, why the hell can’t people do a little research and find out why they just got screwed? Why is one of my best friends looking with fear at her 401(k)? Just a couple of weeks ago, life was good. And it’s not hard to research this kind of thing. I mean, Google is a powerful thing! Did you know that if you put the same search words in different search engines, different things come up? (Well, if you’re reading this, you did…) Imagine the things you can learn. But these liberals are l-a-z-y.
He called me crazy saying I inferred Obama caused the economy crash. I told him he was for thinking it’s what I said, but that he has benefitted and the top recipients in congress for contributions(From Freddie and Fannie, especially) were democrats, and that these POLITCALLY CORRECT politicians push for low-income (because most are minorities) people to get into housing, so they can go back to congress and brag at what a good job they’re doing for these regular minority folks! Yay for them! So they push for lax legislation for these GSEs to make loans to people who can’t afford them and are too dumb in most cases to know to read and understand what they’re getting into, and what happens? The market shifts, interest rates go up with inflation and gas prices, and these people who borrowed more than they could afford (because democrats get good ratings for helping minorities), default on their loans. Whoops! It was all Bush’s fault!
Having no argument to me, and my desire to run him into the ground calling him ignorant without actually saying this, he segued into that people have a right to have homes, and we should be helping them. People do not have a right to own a home. People also do not have a right to borrow money they can’t pay back. (People don’t have a right to borrow money- or borrow anything, for that matter!) If I’m wrong, prove it. If you have a right- go sue someone, because your rights are being violated. Otherwise get a grip. But he didn’t mean in the legal sense, he meant in the humanity sense. Humanity is for charities. And you know what? When you take government OUT of humanity, a lot of wonderful private charities spring up. Want to own a home? WORK for it- call Habitat for Humanity. They are great- I know people who have had brand new houses built for them. You don’t have a right. He called me crazy, but moved to health care.
Everyone has a right to health care, said the liberal. No one has a right to health care, either. Again, go sue someone if you think so. (On second thought, please don’t. Our doctors pay way too much in lawsuit protection insurance, and our insurance premiums are so high… Go sue the housing industry.) That its sick that people are left to be sick without health insurance and they should have a right to go to the doctor, he said. Look, I don’t want to see anyone sick, and I’ve been there where I couldn’t afford to go to the doctor. But again, there are many charities available and other options. Health care should be affordable, people should be able to easily get better. What does Obama want to do? Mandate it. If people could afford to go see the doc, they would. They don’t because they’re spending more money to drive to work (and eat, and pay their mortgages). Obama says you have to or you get penalized. So you get punished for not being able to afford something. I told him they did the same thing in Massachusetts, and now all kinds of people are thousands of dollars in debt from fines for not being able to afford health insurance. (On the other hand, Connecticut has state insurance that is really inexpensive for people to buy that is ran more privately.) Massachusetts just wanted to help the sick kids, though. And I know that bad things happen to good people and you have an emergency. But you have to plan for emergencies, and sometimes it sucks, but everyone has options. Every doctor or hospital will make a payment plan, rather than take no money or drive you to bankrupt. Don’t believe me? Call the billing department. Right now. Ask them.
The liberal I argued with didn’t want to hear it. And some people who work hard and never get ahead and some people don’t even have to work, they’re too rich. It’s not right and income redistribution is not a bad thing, ultimately, based on his arguments. (Good thing he’s not running for president.) Living where I do, I know some people who are “trust fund babies”, grew up well-to-do, don’t know what it’s like to go to bed hungry. But you know what? Their parents worked hard to make sure those kids would grow up like that and go to good schools, get good careers, and not want for anything. The parents made their American Dream, and ensured their trust funded babies would reap the benefits, too. Can someone please tell me what’s wrong with that? And because I’m not a trust fund baby, I’m supposed to want some of their digs, and not try and make it myself? Or if I do achieve my American Dream, now I owe it to make it happen for someone else?
Nope. Tax them. Make more bureaucratic programs and spend more people’s- the Rich Evil Large Company’s money and spend money to have people own homes. Tax and spend. How about not taxing and not spending, or just a very minimum? No way. The liberal argues that government’s job is to take care of it’s people. They are there to make sure the people have what they need and their human rights are met. Never mind the responsibility of an individual to take care of themselves. Government is not your mommy. People scare me that think this way, that it’s their job to dictate my life in the name of taking care of me. We’re supposed to take care of ourselves. They need to make roads, keep us safe from criminals and leave the rest up to the states.
It isn’t what the founding fathers had in mind; and he replied they were crazy, that was over 200 years ago, that was then, this is now, etc. Dumb. He’s reaping the benefits of those crazies. I cannot respect someone who doesn’t get that. What a lucky bastard, he should be grateful he doesn’t live in China. And we owe it to help each other, that even the Greeks (who he pointed out our crazy Founding Fathers used their model to draft our Constitution) had compassion and took care of people. They were humane. I told him that was stupid and he could bet his ass there were diseased lepers and drunks in the streets, that no one paid attention to- there were probably a lot of people that weren’t paid attention to, and he told me I had no proof, there wasn’t anything written down (but there is that they had compassion.)
Fortunately, a friend of mine paid a visit so I was rescued from telling the liberal something mean, because I can’t help but wanting to explain to liberals why they’re not much smarter than chickens staring up at the rain. He tried to keep me on the phone a minute longer, but I was able to ring off.
I won’t be arguing with liberals anytime soon. They don’t make sense. They start by calling something or someone dumb. (They also do no research to back up what they’re saying, because this liberal readily admitted listening to commentary and hearing about different things, but he doesn’t pay attention to much) Then they bring up something that is most popular to talk about (like the bailout) and repeat talking points. If you shoot their arguments down, they’ll segue into something else. If you shoot that down, these liberals have the audacity to talk about humanity. Oh, the humanity; tell that to the baby that didn’t abort! But they want to save trees, the ocean, the polar ice caps and polar bears, and NAMBLA. Now, if you make it through that far, they’ll start talking about back in history. Why do they think they know so much about history and they don’t even know the facts about the person they’re voting for or against? They don’t know what happened in the news last week.
If he said that America is a terrorist nation because we kill terrorist Muslims (or innocent Iraqi's!!), he’d be a moonbat.
He began telling me about the debates, and how no matter what happens, he just can’t see himself voting for McCain. Now, I have written quite a bit about the unanswered questions on Obama, so a red flag went waving in my face, knowing this person can’t be seriously considering Obama. No vote would be better than a vote for. Do rational people really excuse the way this election season has progressed, where every single solitary time someone says anything that might contrast with a happy, feel-good feeling for Obama, it’s racist, radical, hateful, fear-mongering, desperate or erratic? Do thinking individuals really get how his economic plans would kill our country as we know it, his foreign policy is friendly to people who do not like us? What about the fact that no one knows what his schedule was in the state senate, no one knows why he only votes along party lines- when he bothers to vote on anything- when he bothers to show up for the job? What about the people who have been his friends? What about his college papers, his law reviews? And what about his days as a community organizer with ACORN? (And how come they’re just now talking about ACORN? Michelle Malkin’s been all over it for years, guys.)
So this liberal told me that McCain likes to try and make people feel good, like a car salesman tries for customers. This liberal gets really unnerved when McCain calls people, “My Friends”, because McCain isn’t his friend! And Sarah Palin is just a moron. I mean, she is, according to him, so it’s not even worth talking about it.
I seem to remember, somewhere in that how-to guide Ann wrote, it says that when all else fails, no arguments can be won, or no real rational beef can be had by a liberal, they resort to calling them dumb. I can tell you, Ann’s right. They all call Sarah dumb, too. Funny, they never bothered to research Sarah and what she’s accomplished, and no, I never asked the liberal if he ever bothered to learn anything about her. I’m sure Keith Olbermann told him what he should know.
McCain just says the same things all the time, and it’s all rhetoric and it means nothing, says the liberal. He keeps changing his motto about change and reform and he keeps coming up with new slogans and plans. Never mind that Obama hasn’t come up with any of his own, but even has the audacity to adopt policy plans that he once derided Hillary Clinton for during their primary debates…in fact, he has done that with a lot of his plans; beat someone over the head with the fact it’s a bad idea, to later embrace it himself.
McCain isn’t a family man. He left his cancer stricken wife to be with Cindy. (No, he really wasn’t talking about John Edwards, but McCain.) And yeah, that was bad, but he and Cindy have been together…how long? Now, there are a lot of things that I would beat up McCain on, but that? The liberal said he wasn’t a family man. As in, McCain didn’t adopt some random girl from an orphanage in Bangladesh, has a son in the military, picked a pro-life running mate. McCain isn’t a family man. But Obama on the other hand is a family man. Unless you happen to be a fetus who survives an abortion procedure, as you technically don’t have rights or it’s debatable when your life began, and all. But if you aren’t a meant-for-abortion-but-survived-fetus, then Obama is a family guy, who likes to BBQ in the summer time and play hop scotch with his girls. Every Sunday, they dress up and go to Church…but not Rev. Wright’s church any more. Funny, Obama being a family guy,dissed a pastor he had for 20 years and dedicated his bestselling book to.
This liberal has no problem with Obama being a socialist, that we are a socialist society. I beg to differ, and expressed such. His comeback? Well, we just had this whole bailout and that’s socialist. My immediate reply was that every single taxpayer in America was against it (but for the ones who don’t work, who will get an income tax credit from Obama, and Cindy Sheehan). He went on to say something about how it was done by congress, and I replied it was caused by congress. That’s when I started to get heated, because for the LIFE of me, why the hell can’t people do a little research and find out why they just got screwed? Why is one of my best friends looking with fear at her 401(k)? Just a couple of weeks ago, life was good. And it’s not hard to research this kind of thing. I mean, Google is a powerful thing! Did you know that if you put the same search words in different search engines, different things come up? (Well, if you’re reading this, you did…) Imagine the things you can learn. But these liberals are l-a-z-y.
He called me crazy saying I inferred Obama caused the economy crash. I told him he was for thinking it’s what I said, but that he has benefitted and the top recipients in congress for contributions(From Freddie and Fannie, especially) were democrats, and that these POLITCALLY CORRECT politicians push for low-income (because most are minorities) people to get into housing, so they can go back to congress and brag at what a good job they’re doing for these regular minority folks! Yay for them! So they push for lax legislation for these GSEs to make loans to people who can’t afford them and are too dumb in most cases to know to read and understand what they’re getting into, and what happens? The market shifts, interest rates go up with inflation and gas prices, and these people who borrowed more than they could afford (because democrats get good ratings for helping minorities), default on their loans. Whoops! It was all Bush’s fault!
Having no argument to me, and my desire to run him into the ground calling him ignorant without actually saying this, he segued into that people have a right to have homes, and we should be helping them. People do not have a right to own a home. People also do not have a right to borrow money they can’t pay back. (People don’t have a right to borrow money- or borrow anything, for that matter!) If I’m wrong, prove it. If you have a right- go sue someone, because your rights are being violated. Otherwise get a grip. But he didn’t mean in the legal sense, he meant in the humanity sense. Humanity is for charities. And you know what? When you take government OUT of humanity, a lot of wonderful private charities spring up. Want to own a home? WORK for it- call Habitat for Humanity. They are great- I know people who have had brand new houses built for them. You don’t have a right. He called me crazy, but moved to health care.
Everyone has a right to health care, said the liberal. No one has a right to health care, either. Again, go sue someone if you think so. (On second thought, please don’t. Our doctors pay way too much in lawsuit protection insurance, and our insurance premiums are so high… Go sue the housing industry.) That its sick that people are left to be sick without health insurance and they should have a right to go to the doctor, he said. Look, I don’t want to see anyone sick, and I’ve been there where I couldn’t afford to go to the doctor. But again, there are many charities available and other options. Health care should be affordable, people should be able to easily get better. What does Obama want to do? Mandate it. If people could afford to go see the doc, they would. They don’t because they’re spending more money to drive to work (and eat, and pay their mortgages). Obama says you have to or you get penalized. So you get punished for not being able to afford something. I told him they did the same thing in Massachusetts, and now all kinds of people are thousands of dollars in debt from fines for not being able to afford health insurance. (On the other hand, Connecticut has state insurance that is really inexpensive for people to buy that is ran more privately.) Massachusetts just wanted to help the sick kids, though. And I know that bad things happen to good people and you have an emergency. But you have to plan for emergencies, and sometimes it sucks, but everyone has options. Every doctor or hospital will make a payment plan, rather than take no money or drive you to bankrupt. Don’t believe me? Call the billing department. Right now. Ask them.
The liberal I argued with didn’t want to hear it. And some people who work hard and never get ahead and some people don’t even have to work, they’re too rich. It’s not right and income redistribution is not a bad thing, ultimately, based on his arguments. (Good thing he’s not running for president.) Living where I do, I know some people who are “trust fund babies”, grew up well-to-do, don’t know what it’s like to go to bed hungry. But you know what? Their parents worked hard to make sure those kids would grow up like that and go to good schools, get good careers, and not want for anything. The parents made their American Dream, and ensured their trust funded babies would reap the benefits, too. Can someone please tell me what’s wrong with that? And because I’m not a trust fund baby, I’m supposed to want some of their digs, and not try and make it myself? Or if I do achieve my American Dream, now I owe it to make it happen for someone else?
Nope. Tax them. Make more bureaucratic programs and spend more people’s- the Rich Evil Large Company’s money and spend money to have people own homes. Tax and spend. How about not taxing and not spending, or just a very minimum? No way. The liberal argues that government’s job is to take care of it’s people. They are there to make sure the people have what they need and their human rights are met. Never mind the responsibility of an individual to take care of themselves. Government is not your mommy. People scare me that think this way, that it’s their job to dictate my life in the name of taking care of me. We’re supposed to take care of ourselves. They need to make roads, keep us safe from criminals and leave the rest up to the states.
It isn’t what the founding fathers had in mind; and he replied they were crazy, that was over 200 years ago, that was then, this is now, etc. Dumb. He’s reaping the benefits of those crazies. I cannot respect someone who doesn’t get that. What a lucky bastard, he should be grateful he doesn’t live in China. And we owe it to help each other, that even the Greeks (who he pointed out our crazy Founding Fathers used their model to draft our Constitution) had compassion and took care of people. They were humane. I told him that was stupid and he could bet his ass there were diseased lepers and drunks in the streets, that no one paid attention to- there were probably a lot of people that weren’t paid attention to, and he told me I had no proof, there wasn’t anything written down (but there is that they had compassion.)
Fortunately, a friend of mine paid a visit so I was rescued from telling the liberal something mean, because I can’t help but wanting to explain to liberals why they’re not much smarter than chickens staring up at the rain. He tried to keep me on the phone a minute longer, but I was able to ring off.
I won’t be arguing with liberals anytime soon. They don’t make sense. They start by calling something or someone dumb. (They also do no research to back up what they’re saying, because this liberal readily admitted listening to commentary and hearing about different things, but he doesn’t pay attention to much) Then they bring up something that is most popular to talk about (like the bailout) and repeat talking points. If you shoot their arguments down, they’ll segue into something else. If you shoot that down, these liberals have the audacity to talk about humanity. Oh, the humanity; tell that to the baby that didn’t abort! But they want to save trees, the ocean, the polar ice caps and polar bears, and NAMBLA. Now, if you make it through that far, they’ll start talking about back in history. Why do they think they know so much about history and they don’t even know the facts about the person they’re voting for or against? They don’t know what happened in the news last week.
If he said that America is a terrorist nation because we kill terrorist Muslims (or innocent Iraqi's!!), he’d be a moonbat.
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